I am currently working through the Old Testament, very slowly, and commenting here , but my speciality is Paul. I am happy to teach whoever is interested in what I have to say or write, male and female, young and old. Thanks for this insightful post.
Clearly, gender has nothing to do with who has something valuable to teach and share with others. The church suffers when we silence wise, faithful instruction from her women. It is sad that women cannot be content with the position that Jesus created them to have. We are told not to usurp authority. All through Gods Word He placed the woman under the authority of man. You are blaspheming Gods Word. You are scripturally wrong.
I am more than content with the life and the ministry and the family that Jesus has blessed me with. In fact I feel extremely blessed. The apostle Paul wrote that epistle to his son Timothy. He confirms it again in 1Timothy when he states his authority to make such a stand and continues on to lay out in Chapter 3 more rules and precepts for women, bishops, deacons and in Chapter 4 he warns against false teachers. And in this article is a list of Bible men, including kings and generals, who had no problem with being taught and guided by wise Bible women.
One of these men is King Lemuel. Yet Paul, in many salutations at the opening and closing of his letters gives high praise and admiration to Women who are leaders of the churches he is writing to. Nobody will have everything perfectly right. I would have thought that adds weight to the argument that he wrote it because Proverbs opens in Septuagint by saying The Proverbs of Solomon son of David, who reigned in Israel;. It just provides additional information.
As a pious and respected prophetess, one who had seen the Messiah with her own eyes, Anna and her words were influential and significant. Otherwise Luke would not have mentioned her and her speaking ministry in his gospel. I love this Marg! Just more proof right there in our face that godly women were indeed teaching men. Anna even taught them in the Temple which would be our equivalent of a Church. Your email address will not be published.
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Faithful Instruction from Wise Women Many Christians who restrict women to certain roles and functions within the Christian community overlook the Proverbs 31 woman mentioned in verse 1 and concentrate instead on the second woman mentioned in the latter half of the chapter.
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Thanks Heather. Heidi Bright Parales MDiv. Nice post, Marg! Who is King Lemuel in Proverbs 31? I did a search for King Lemuel in my entire library of encyclopedias, commentaries, Bible dictionaries, etc. Some see him as a descendent of Ishmael depending on how one answers the previous question on Proverbs Not that I have a whole lot to add because as you have already noted there is not much to go on as to Lemuel might have been.
Longman in his Dictionary of the Old Testament points out a very old issue that dates back to the time of the Septuagint: 1 Some Jewish sources have Agur and Lemuel as noms de plume a Latin phrases for alias for Solomon. That is why the LXX and the Latin Vulgate do not even recognize these two terms as proper names at all. If this is the case then a very interesting thing emerges from the text -- this wisdom is coming into the text via Bathsheba because in this case Lemuel is another name for Solomon.
Bathsheba would have had a unique contribution to the issues found in this chapter. This would have a powerful impact on the text but it depends to a large extent on Jewish Tradition which here is divided. This is very sparse material, Longman mentions the noms de plume aspect but not the significance of it as identifying the mother. After finding this I did a quick search and even the Wiki page for Lemuel mentions that the mother of Proverbs 31 may have been Bathsheba.
The term Massa comes into the picture through the Hebrew as a change in the punctuation. A useful resource aside from the tools I have in Logos that can be helpful from time to time is the Jewish Encyclopedia site that is online. There are a lot of references to Lemuel on that site. Of king Lemuel, i. The prophecy; so called, either, 1. More generally, as all godly discourses or counsels are called prophecies; of which see on Proverbs , and elsewhere.
His mother, Bathsheba, who having truly repented of her adultery, did not only avoid it in herself for the future, but seriously endeavoured to prevent that and such-like sins in others, and especially in Solomon, whom the remembrance of her sin might possibly provoke to an imitation of her example. But when she gave him these instructions is but matter of conjecture.
Probably it was either, 1. When she first discerned his inclinations to those sins of which she here warns him, to which she saw he was like to have many and strong provocations.
Or, 2. After he was made king, and had more plainly discovered his proneness to these excesses, although he had not yet broken forth into those scandalous enormities into which he afterwards fell.
Not what were spoken by him, but what were spoken to him; or declaring what his mother said, as what follows shows; of this king we have no account elsewhere under this name. Grotius thinks that King Hezekiah, whose mother Abijah, the daughter of Zechariah, whom he supposes to be a wise man, from whom she had learned much, instructed her son in the following manner; but gives no other reason for this conjecture but that this chapter follows the collection of proverbs made by the men of Hezekiah; but they are expressly said to be Solomon's, and the words of Agur more immediately follow them; and besides Hezekiah does not appear ever to be addicted to the vices this prince was; much more probable is the conjecture of Bishop Patrick, that he was a prince of another country, perhaps in Chaldea, since a Chaldee word is three times used in his mother's address to him, and another word in a Chaldee termination; and he supposes his mother to be a Jewish lady, that taught her son the lessons herein contained.
But the general sense of Jewish and Christian writers is, that Solomon himself is meant; whose name Lemuel is either a corruption of his name Solomon, a fond pretty name his mother Bathsheba gave him when young, and he thought fit to write it just as his mother spoke it; as mothers often do give such broken names to their children in fond affection to them: or it was another name of his, as it appears he had more than one; it signifies "to God", one that was devoted to him, as he was by his parents and by himself; or one that belonged to God, was his, as Solomon was; he was beloved of God, and therefore called Jedidiah, 2 Samuel ; one to whom God was a father, and he a son to him; and he was chosen and appointed by him to succeed his father David in the kingdom, 2 Samuel Hillerus a makes the word to signify "over against God", or "before the face of the first", or of God and was a type of the "angel of faces", or of God's presence, Isaiah ; the prophecy that his mother taught him; either in his youth, or when he was come to the throne; to whom she had access, and with whom she used freedom; and particularly when she saw he was inclined unto, or going into, the vices she cautions him against.
Her instruction is called a "prophecy", because she delivered it on a foresight of the sins her son would be tempted with, and liable to fall into; and this foresight was either through her natural sagacity, or under a spirit of prophecy; or rather it is so called, because any wise saying, or doctrine of moment and importance, and especially if it was by divine inspiration, was so called; see Proverbs ; as Solomon tells us what his father David taught him, so here what his mother Bathsheba instructed him in; and it would have been well if he had taken the advice she gave him, and he gave to his son; see Proverbs King of Massa , is arrived at by neglecting the accents, and taking the word massa, oracle , as a proper name.
On the one hand it makes it clear that the books with which the library of Jerusalem was stored were not confined to the works of Jewish or Israelitish authors. On the other hand it indicates that the language spoken in Massa was not very dissimilar from that spoken in Palestine. The Words of King Lemuel. Proverbs We have here another short Appendix. King Lemuel records, as his oracle, or wise teaching, the counsel given him by his mother Proverbs With terms of ardent affection Proverbs she bids him beware of lust Proverbs , and excess of wine Proverbs , and urges him to befriend the helpless Proverbs , and to judge righteously Proverbs Thanks,Mark Trethewey.
Solomon, unfortunately, unlike David, did many things in six like the number of steps leading to his throne, the amount of gold he was receiving yearly , as a sign of his lack of spirituality maybe.
Therefore, it might be were, also as a sign of his shortcomings, he only received six names. Thank you for your comment. The idea that Solomon had six names is pure folklore. It is better to stay with the Bible. It is possible that a seventh name exists, but I have never seen it. If I find out about a seventh name, I will update the post.
Dr Claude, thanks for the references… am wondering why at the end of Proverbs chapter Lemuel name comes in, Biblical scholars refers Proverbs was wrote by Solomon,. I could see three names are already in…. Even i dont admit it,, barely on Wiki information. Lets look at the jewish book Mishlei…. And more over jews will not buy someone else words,, how they can take non jews words???
Solomon wrote many proverbs. Agur and Lemuel were different persons. They were not Israelites. If you read Genesis you will discover that Massa was an Ishmaelite tribe. When it comes to wisdom, wisdom can be found anywhere, even outside of Israel. You are welcome. Many people think that Lemuel was Solomon. This is not true, but they refuse to accept the truth.
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Respected Dr. Claude Mariottini, I was so much blessed by this post!! May God use u more n more for the extension of His Kingdom!! I am a missionary in a state called Orissa in India. Please pray the God would use me here according to His will. Also pray that I should do everything in my life only as per His will, which I should know thru His Word!! Remember u are a blessing for me!! Yours seems the most plausible. Dear Dr. Mariottini, Thank you for this post and the references. The question of who King Lemuel was came up during Bible Study and I gained good information here to further my research.
I am happy to know that you enjoyed reading my post on Lemuel. If you look at the Archive page of my blog, you will probably find other posts that you may also enjoy reading.
Thank you for the information about Lemuel. It is helpful to be able to quickly find info although it took you sometime to gather. I appreciate your blog. Again, thank you! Thank you for your comment on Lemuel. There are two things we know about Lemuel. First, we know that Lemuel was not Solomon. Many people refuse to give up on the idea that Lemuel was another name for Solomon. Second, we know that Lemuel was not an Israelite king. The writer of Proverbs saw that the advice Lemuel received from his mother taught him many truths, so he decided to incorporate those words in his writings.
Instructive Commentary on the name Lemuel. Will contact on more Biblical Topics. Timothy Nyarango. I am glad to know you enjoyed reading my post on Lemuel. If you visit the Archive page of my blog, you will find many other topics that you can read and enjoy.
I really like the article on who is king Lemuel. When things of this nature come about it the bible. The only thing I do is remember what God said in his word. We only know half of the story. In this case we only need to read the Word of God for what it is. In some cases it could be the opposite sex. Which is a lot of men down fall.
What we find in Proverbs 31 is an important lesson that people need to learn. In reading about King Lemuel, it is interesting to note your claim that Proverbs proves that Solomon did not write the book of Proverbs. Clearly Solomon complied the bulk of the proverbs from chapter After all, are not scholars and authors likely to continue to write after completing one or more works? And even die in the midst of their work? It would incredulous to assert Pascal did not author the material simply because the cover sites these men as authors.
Even with inspired authors God does not merely turn on an information spigot from heaven directly to their pens. Although God anointed certain individuals to speak for him, he still loves to use regular human interactions and relationships in the process of inspiration and inscripturation. Surely I am mistaken in understanding your assertion. Please correct me at your convenience. Then, there are the proverbs of Agur Prov.
It is clear that Solomon wrote many proverbs, but somebody else collected these proverbs and put them together in the form of a book. Thus, Solomon did not write the book of Proverbs. Rather, he wrote many proverbs in the book of Proverbs. Amriottini, I have an additional question, that being about Amen-em-apt and Proverbs — It seems interesting to me that most scholars seems to always assume that if there are any parallels between scripture and extra-biblical writings that it is assumed that it is the Hebrews scholars that have borrowed the material, and not the reverse.
Do you have any comment about this? How plausible is this? The date for Amen-em-apt is generally accepted to be — BCE. Solomon reigned from BCE.
Thus, Amen-em-apt could not have borrowed from Solomon. The changes in Egyptian chronology that you have proposed is rejected by most Egyptologists. Claude Mariottini — Professor of Old. Tks very much! The section on the virtuous woman probably was taught to Lemuel by his mother. We are not sure about who wrote those beautiful words, but they describe the character of a noble woman. Thank you for visiting my blog. I hope you have subscribed to my blog so that you can receive future posts by email.
Good day, Dr Claude Mariottini. But please i need nothing but the truth about it. Lemuel was not a Christian. He was king of Massa, a tribal group in the old Edomite territory. Please my Dr. Thanks More Grace to you sir. Yes I very much like your research on the name Lemuel. I have a grandson named Lemuel…..
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